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  2. BarryinIN

    Pleas For Python Return

    The Ruger revolver I’m most interested in now is the GP100 in 10mm. The 3” Wiley Clapp model to be specific. Any revolver larger than L-frame/GP-size is getting a bit too unwieldy for me. I’d rather stop at K-frame size, but I know it just isn’t possible for some things. Redhawks and N-frames are nice, but big. The GP 10mm’s holes are about as big as I expect to see in that size gun without going to a five-shot cylinder*. A 3” six-shot medium (large medium) revolver that still throws a bullet diameter starting with a “4”? Yeah, there’s some appeal there to me. *I already have a S&W 69 .44 Mag and a 696 .44 Spl for the five shot category.
  3. BlueOvalFitter

    Pleas For Python Return

    I'm happy with my Ruger revolvers. They are just as good, or better, than any S&W & Colt.
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  5. Astro14

    Pleas For Python Return

    Well...S&W heard enough consumer demand to bring back revolvers that they've got their whole "classic" line. They're pretty good revolvers, I've seen a few in shops, but they languish on the shelves for a while. I kept an eye on a Model 57 (6" .41 magnum N-frame) locally. It was $900. Then $875. Then $850. Took months for it to sell. If I wanted a .41 magnum to carry (and I can't really see a reason) then a $850 gun sort of makes sense... Sort of... But a magnum revolver, particularly an N-Frame, isn't particularly practical for carry, unless you're a cop, or hiking in bear country. It's too big for concealment, which relegates the every day use to outdoorsmen. Serious ones... And that's not a very big market. Further, it's a market with some established players, like Ruger. Sturdy guns in Stainless Steel already exist for that market. So, who is going to buy a blued magnum revolver? Someone looking for cartridge performance? Power? Lots of cartridges, for example, 10mm, offer considerable power in a much more compact firearm. E.G. Glock 20. Much lighter. Higher capacity. Still a credible bear/wildlife/self-defense round. But I want a gun to collect. To enjoy. So, a "no dash" Model 57 for about $1,200, with excellent finish, has a level of craftsmanship and quality that the new guns simply can't match. Recessed chambers, pinned barrel. Those things were dropped some time in the 1970s... IF they were to be brought back, the cost explodes, and who, on Earth, is going to pay $1,500 for a new wheel gun that's nothing special in terms of performance? So it is with the Python. I'm in complete agreement with your point. Now, I've been eying a Standard Manufacturing Single Action in .45 Colt...at $2,000 +/- it's not cheap, but the craftsmanship is superb. It's a gun, like a Shiloh rifle from Montana, that I would love to own. That I would be proud to own. That I could justify spending that kind of $$ for... http://www.stdgun.com/sa-revolver-1/
  6. BarryinIN

    Pleas For Python Return

    I might hurt some feelings here. Every time Colt announces a new gun, I see and hear screams of “Bring back the Python!” Colt’s recent introduction of the new King Cobra brought on another wave of it. At least half the comments I’d see online had nothing to do with the King Cobra, but were about how Colt needed to bring back the Python, how this is exciting because it is one step closer, blah, blah, blah. I’m going to have to disagree. I don’t see how a Python return could possibly go well for Colt. I also don’t see a return of the Python making anyone happy. I should say now that while I don’t think it’s the ultimate revolver like some, I don’t dislike the Python either. I’ve had two, one I never fired. Unlike a lot of people, I don’t get all misty eyed over the name, but nor do I hear the name and immediately bark out “facts” such as “they won’t stay in time”. For all those who say Colt should bring it back, I wonder what they would be willing to pay. I don’t they'd pay as much as Colt would ask. The Cobra retails for $699. Real world pricing seems to run well into the 600s. The new King Cobra has an MSRP of $899. If the Python returned and listed at less than $1500, I’d be shocked. I’d truly expect closer to $1800. Even if they could do it so it took $1500 “street price” to buy a new Python, how many would buy? Gunbroker Python prices are all over the place A common number seems to be $2800, but those have no bids Several with active bids are in the $1200 range. I haven’t seen any in gun shops recently, but hear of them selling for around $1500, and that sounds about right based on what I see on Gunbroker. I’m referring to 6” blued, which I’ve always assumed was the most common variation. That’s what I saw the most, and it’s what both mine were. It’s probably what Colt would start with if they did bring it back. So if Colt brings the Python back, they will be competing against original Pythons. I just don’t see that working out well for Colt. They couldn’t possibly make them well enough to make people happy. All these people screaming for its return are wistful for old ones. Legends are tough things to compete against. Why buy a new one when an original- the one they really want- costs the same? I think those wanting the Python back don’t miss the Python. They miss being able to walk into a gun shop and buy one if they had the money That’s not the same. When the opportunity was there, people were hardly buying them. It may be hard to accept, but they never were that big a seller. The last year Colt sold Pythons as a regular production item was 1999. At that time, I don’t remember seeing any new ones on the shelf and hadn’t for a long time. Revolvers were dead, and few shops had the cushion to tie that much money up in a single gun that would sit there for a long time. There were 40 years’ worth of used ones out there also, and most of those had never seen much use, of any at all. In 1998, I sold my last one on consignment. It was like new, and I had $350 on it. This, BTW, is what used Glocks were running at the time. It was in a high traffic shop, and sat there for months at that price. Revolvers have bounced back some in recent years, but not that much. Demand has increased for Pythons now because they aren’t being made. Reintroducing them now to take advantage of that would have to be done carefully, and Colt isn’t very good at that. Colt would have to do some hard studying on WHAT to offer. They could turn something out that was Python-esque, like one of their current revolvers with a rib , but I don’t see as anything but guaranteed failure. Duplicating the originals would be so expensive I don’t see it being successful either. Some say it would be impossible, because the employees who were masters at fitting revolvers are gone. That they are gone may be true, but surely others can be trained. How long that will take and at what cost may be more than Colt can manage. You can’t build guns for practice, working up to good ones. It can be done, but I don’t see them being able to do this and sell it for under $2000. Plus, there is the legend to overcome. Right or wrong, whatever Colt turns out won’t be good enough...even if it is. A $2,000 New Python will have to be something pretty special. I don’t think they could hit my $1500 estimate and make it look like they shut down the production line yesterday. Something would have to change. Either it would look the same externally but with different lockwork, or they would have to go easy on exterior finish. Maybe compromising on both. I’d say going with different internals would be the way to go, giving them a path to a smooth action with less work, and still looking good outside. Whatever they do, people will be unhappy. And thats the thing. People will not be happy, whatever they do. If I ran Colt, I’d not attempt a revival. It’s gone, and the legend grows everyday. You would only be competing with that, and you can’t. My plan would be not to try to recreate the Python but to take the closest thing I have, which looks to be the new King Cobra, and make a new model based off it, and call it something else. Call it the SuperCobra or use a variation of a trademark they already have, like Colt Master or something. Give it some practical niceties like clear adjustable sights. Make grips that look and feel good (if they can do both, it would be a Colt first!) . Give it something to set it apart visually, like the (otherwise useless) vent rib barrel. Finish it well. Offer it in blued, maybe. Fit the action parts better than typical production, but don’t go crazy with it. If you can match a S&W K/L/N frame, go with it. Then make a “fightin’ version”. If going with the Master name, give it a Novak rear sight, bead blast it before finishing, and call it the Combat Master. In other words, a slightly nicer version of what they just announced. Make what is essentially a Colt ripoff of the Ruger Wiley Clapp guns and people will buy more of them than any new Python , and it will be easier, less costly, and a lot less risky. People will cry for Pythons, but they always will unless Colt can give them that, and as I keep saying, I don’t think they can. This would give them a “Premium Revolver” they can point to, and do it with a LOT less effort. But I digress. I like to dream. Just because I think a Colt reintroduction of the Python would be a failure on many counts, I’ll make a prediction now. We will see it this time next year. Two years tops.
  7. BarryinIN

    Rumor: Colt DA Revolvers Are...

    And the new King Cobra has an MSRP of $899.
  8. BlueOvalFitter

    New Gun Website

    My cousin just recently came to me wanting me to order a S&W .380 EZ for his wife. I found a new gun website online that is selling it for $289.99. I am on other gun forums online and have been spreading the word. I didn't realize how popular and in demand this gun is. Every site I have posted this on, members left and right are going to their site to buy one. I have some coupons for their website if anyone is interested. https://www.lockedloaded.com/
  9. BlueOvalFitter

    Mosin Nagant

    That's a good price. I own (3) Norinco Paratroopers. The going prices here start at about $350. I remember back in the day I could buy them for $79.95.
  10. TOFINOtom

    PORTUGUESE MODEL 1904 /6,5 X 58

    it more or less selected ME LOL. older gentleman said it was ''brought to Kanada'' by his father ...he had NO USE for it on his liveaboard boat.....I offered to do him a favor and take it off his hands....... I have since done several favors in return.......kind of felt a little guilty of ''doing him the favor''. they are not common in SOUTH AFRICA and are known to perform well on plains game.
  11. TOFINOtom

    Mosin Nagant

    I PICKED UP A MODEL.91/30 MADE AT ''IZHEVSK IN 1938. HAS THE ''7th. Graul Arsenal refurb mark on it. (square with line corner to corner). not been shot since factory refurb. after ww2. full of cosmoline........ looks like it just came out of factory..........paid $150 Canadian.....as prices ARE going up quickly, might just leave it ''unfired'' and make a few bucks on it........in 2019..... local CABELAS has a Christmas special on ''new'' Chinese SKS for $189 cdn.....but i'll stick with my RUSSIANS.
  12. Astro14

    M&P Over Glock

    The M&P 2.0 is a good gun. I like them, but with over a dozen auto pistols, I just don't need one...still, at those prices...
  13. Astro14

    Mosin Nagant

    Not yet an owner...but someday, when a few other rifles in which I've got a greater interest are occupying my safe, then a MN is on the list, but I was thinking of a Finnish built one... And yes - I realize that EVERY milsurp rifle is appreciating in price. In the two years since I bought the K-31, they're nearly double the price...
  14. Astro14

    7x57 ammo

    I realize that this is an ancient thread, but 7x57 ammo is now $0.60 here: https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/7mm-mauser-7x57-ammo I love this company - awesome prices, reasonable shipping, great customer service. Now is a great time to buy ammo, particularly the less common types. Stock up! Cheers, Astro
  15. BarryinIN

    M&P Over Glock

    That’s what I went into the shop to get that day, but he made me a deal I couldn’t refuse on the 2.0. Otherwise, yes, for the price, everyone should be sticking away an M&P or two or three. Even if the type doesn’t interest them, it’s one of those things we’ll regret later if we don’t.
  16. BlueOvalFitter

    M&P Over Glock

    If you go to Google and enter "LE TRADE INS" you will see several reputable online gun shops selling LE trade in FS .40 caliber M&P's, $199-$300. I bought 2 of them. The trigger on my 2.0 is 10X better then the 1.0 trigger. They also have G22's, G23's, and G21's, in Gen. 2-4, starting out at $239.
  17. BarryinIN

    M&P Over Glock

    Update: I now have an M&P 9 2.0 Compact. Or is it M&P Compact 2.0 9mm? Or M&P 2.0 Compact 9? Or...something It’s a Glock 19-size M&P i don't expect a switch from steel-frame guns any time soon, but I am pretty sure my eyes will require a red dot sight in the future. I might as well start getting used to the (probable) gun that will carry it. The local gun shop having a “Black Friday sale if you ask for it” on used guns did me in I used to have an M&P 45 and didn’t think the trigger was as good, but that’s been a while. I looked at two used “1.0” M&P 9s Friday also, and that confirmed my memory. The 2.0 trigger action feels better to me. Not just lighter, but crisper and smoother. I’m seeing used old style M&Ps selling for what used Glocks sold for in the mid 90s. Maybe it’s a good time to stick a couple away.
  18. BarryinIN

    Bitoger...

    Welcome. Love the K31.
  19. BlueOvalFitter

    Bitoger...

    Hello Clevy. I don't think you know me, but I know you from "OVER THERE." Welcome aboard. Can you rustle up some more members from over yonder to come join?
  20. Astro14

    Bitoger...

    Hey Clevy! I've got a K-31 as well. And four cases of GP-11. I shouldve bought more... cheers, Astro
  21. BlueOvalFitter

    Mosin Nagant

    Are there any MN owners here? I currently own an all numbers matching 1943 Ischev 91/30. It's not in excellent shape, but it's not far from it. The only problem with it, if you want to call it a problem, is it's counter bored. But, on the plus side, it's VERY accurate. It will shoot a flea off of a fly's rear end at 500 meters! Back in the late 80's, early 90's, I would buy them (6) at a time from THE SHOTGUN NEWS paper. The prices were $49.95-$69.95. I bought them to sell. I wish I would have saved a few. The lowest price I have seen them sell for are $300+. In 2014, I paid $150 for the one I currently own.
  22. BarryinIN

    Hello All

    Wow. I can’t imagine.
  23. BlueOvalFitter

    Hello All

    When he was in jail here, one of my best friends owned a bakery, which was attached to her home. She would make his favorite pie, pecan. She brought him one every week. He was a very crooked governor, and a DEMOCRAT, but he sure took care of the people in La. He was a HUEY P. LONG of that time. Our current governor, John Bel Edwards, has EE's last name (no relation) but sure is NOTHING like him! He's scared of his own shadow, and was the person that started the ball rolling to eliminate ALL Confederate statues in America. He started by planting the bug in the previous N'awlins mayors ear, Mitch Landrieu. When he eliminated all of the statues in N'awlins, he sealed his fate at not being voted mayor again. One last thing about Avoyelles Parish. It's the poorest Parish in La. Our sales tax is currently 10.25%! Yes, you read that correctly, 10.25%! And, in December, the Police Jury is holding a special election to raise it to 11.25%. The residents here are so tired of being taxed and will most likely shoot it down. But can you imagine, 11.25%?
  24. BarryinIN

    Hello All

    I had to look up Avoyelles Parish. Home of Gov Edwin Edwards? I was living down there during his trial/circus in 1985-86. Wow. What a show.
  25. BlueOvalFitter

    Hello All

    Thank You Sir. Avoyelles Parish. All of my family is from here, but I grew up in the Baton Rouge/Gonzales area.
  26. BarryinIN

    Ruger announces Pistol Caliber Carbine

    I didn’t want to like this rifle, but it’s happening anyway. I’ve had two different 9mm carbines before; a Colt AR-15 and a Marlin Camp 9. After wanting a Colt for quite a while, I was surprised at liking the Marlin better. It was more reliable and more accurate. This Ruger would shoot rings around either of them. I might crack two inches at 50 yards on a good day with the Marlin. The Ruger has gone under an inch at 50 several times now. Thursday I only benched two types of ammo, and one group each. One went 1-3/8” and the other went 5/8”. This is with a dot sight. Function had had been flawless until that day. I am using the Glock magwell, and I bought an ETS 31-rd mag, and a Magpul 21-rd mag to try in addition to my Glock mags. The ETS mag gave me two stovepipes in 31 rounds using Federal AE 115 FMJ ammo. . I’ve used a variety of factory and reloaded ammo in the other mags and had not seen that before. It holds well in standing There is enough weight to make it “hang” well and it doesn’t bounce much in recoil. The trigger makes it easy to shoot unsupported I’ve been using a Holosun 510 sight. It’s not really like anything else, but most similar to an EoTech I suppose. It has a battery and a solar panel. It runs off solar power when it’s avIlable and reverts to battery power when it’s not. The solar panel does not charge the battery. It can be set in an auto mode that turns the sight on when it senses movement and turns it off after ten minutes (I think) of being still. I mostly chose it because of its reputation in USPSA and the reticle was available in green. I find green shows up better than red for me. Taken down to it's two big parts, the Ruger fits in a multi-compartment duffle I have, and that in turn fits in my motorcycle saddlebags. The carbine has already logged quite a few miles. I guess I’ve adopted it.
  27. BarryinIN

    Hello All

    Welcome! Where in Louisiana? I lived in Lafayette and worked in Intracoastsal City for a while.
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